Carl Lentz Gets Brutally Honest with Lecrae About His Past

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I sat down with Carl Lentz in an unfiltered conversation about his rise, his “fall” and what comes next.

No pre-packaged answers, no PR spin—just a man who’s been through the fire and lived to tell the story.

We talk about:

🔥 The pressure of leading Hillsong NYC and how it all unraveled

🔥 What real repentance and accountability look like after public failure

🔥 The dark side of church culture, leadership, and ‘celebrity pastors’

A lot of people have opinions about Carl, but few have actually heard him speak for himself. This is that chance.

Drop a comment, share your thoughts, and let’s talk about it!

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Chapter Markers
0:00 - Coming Up
1:08 - Today’s Guest, Carl Lentz: Controversial Christian
4:26 - Larger Than Life: Navigating Unhealthy Pedestals
10:02 - Charisma and Criticism
14:54 - Ad: Fabric by Gerber Life: https://www.meetfabric.com/lecrae
16:22 - Restoring and Rebuilding
20:44 - Fallen Evangelicals
25:20 - From Behind the Scenes
31:11 - Pastoring: Uncomfortable Truths
35:26 - Scandalous Judgment, Necessary Changes
41:00 - Describing Difficulty
44:34 - Grading Scales: Punishment and Penance
54:53 - Poster Child?
57:59 - Ad: Tell Us What Stories You Want to Hear
58:29 - Knowingly Unhealthy, Isolated Struggles
1:06:16 - Young and in Ministry: Stunted in Growth
1:11:29 - Why Transformation
1:20:24 - Perspective, Grace and Growth
1:23:14 - Functioning Through Dysfunction
1:28:51 - Restored and Imperfect
1:34:58 - Authentic and Raw
1:39:23 - Why the Boots: Staying in Your Lane
1:46:56 - Loud Culture, Louder Conviction
1:49:09 - Coming Out of the Hurricane
1:52:54 - Final Thoughts and Conclusion